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MINUTES
VOLUSIA FOREVER ADVISORY COMMITTEE
(approved)
Wednesday, November 21, 2001
1:30p.m. - 3:30p.m.
DeLand library
130 East Howry Avenue, DeLand, FL 32720

Board Members in Attendance

Also in Attendance

Reid Hughes, Chair
Carrie Stewart
Gordon Kipp
Richard Schuler
Doug Weaver 
Dave Griffis
Rob Walsh 
Dot Moore
Randall Sleister 
Elizabeth Layton
Frank B. Gummey, III 
Al Everson
Jeanette Munson

Meeting Called to Order

As a Quorum could not be established, Reid Hughes, Chair, called a "workshop" to order at 1:37p.m.

Roll Call

Reid Hughes, Chair, instructed the Recording Secretary to record the roll of the Members in attendance, in which four (4) Members were present for the "workshop".

Approval of Minutes

No motion for approval of the Minutes from the September 15, 2001, meeting.

Update on Recent Countywide Parks, Trails and Natural Lands Master Plan Workshop

Rob Walsh provided an overview of the initial workshop held on October 29, 2001, in New Smyrna Beach. He described the workshop as a local government-coordinating workshop, which was sponsored by Volusia County Leisure Services and invitations were extended to local government agencies. The purpose of the workshop was to put together a countywide parks, trails and natural areas master plan that the county, as well as the municipalities, could utilize in identifying what each entity currently has and was planning for future needs. Glatting Jackson is the consultant in charge of developing a Master Plan. The Master Plan designates the general location and size of the major facilities in both the County and the municipalities; an estimate of cost to implement the plan; and a detailed implementation strategy to fund, acquire and/or develop parks, trails and natural areas over the next 20 years. During the workshop, three (3) groups (i.e., Natural Lands, Trails and Parks) were created to do brainstorming. The Volusia Conservation Corridor was discussed at great length along with the undeveloped lands in the middle of the County.

A follow-up meeting is scheduled for December 4, 2001, from 9:00a.m. – 12:00a.m at the Brannon Center, 105 South Riverside Drive, New Smyrna Beach, Florida, where Glatting Jackson will provide a report from the information gathered at the initial workshop. The agenda will consist of map reviews, review of cost estimates, probable funding sources, and brainstorming of the three groups to finalize the Master Plan.

Discussion ensued after Member Carrie Stewart asked if these meetings where public.

Doug Weaver explained that these meetings were staff meetings held in the public and reiterated that the workshop is a staff function to collectively preparing a Master Plan, which will be presented to the public.

Update on the Hart Cattle Company Property in SE Volusia County (A SJRWMD Project)

Rob Walsh explained that the St. Johns River Water Management District (SJRWMD) is currently in the process of obtaining appraisals for the properties in the Hart Cattle Company’s project boundaries. He further explained that SJRWMD has obtained funding through Florida Department of Transportation (FDOT), therefore they will not be partnering with Volusia County for funding. However, they will be looking to Volusia County for management of the properties similar to the Lake George arrangement between SJRWMD and Volusia County.

Chairman Reid Hughes expressed the need to actively pursue acquisition of these properties.

Randall Sleister explained that the County has acquired small parcels of land through tax deeds in the area, which include Cape Atlantic Estates. He further explained that the County would be requesting assistance from the Volusia Forever Committee to acquire additional parcels.

Discussion ensued with regards to the size of the Hart Property Project in which Chairman Reid Hughes explained that approximately 14,000–20,000 acres are contained within the Project’s boundary.

Doug Weaver explained that the Hart Property consists primarily of larger parcels of land and that Clyde Hart had intended to acquire the smaller parcels, which would connect the larger parcels together. This area originally was targeted to be developed as a subdivision. However, the subdivision never developed.

Progress Report on Committee’s 2001 Workplan

Rob Walsh presented an update on the Committee’s Goals for 2001, which were established on July 11, 2001, and approved by County Council on October 18, 2001. He explained that the Committee had completed approximately 80% of the Goals. He reviewed the Goals and explained the workplan’s status with regards to completeness as follows:

Application – Goal Completed after County Council’s approval on October 18, 2001.

Rob Walsh explained that staff has been promoting the application through PR work (i.e., Radio, Television and Newspaper) and that the application can be obtained through the Internet or by contacting staff in DeLand in person or via telephone.

Rating/Ranking Criteria – Goal Completed through County Council’s approval of Resolution 2001-198 on October 18, 2001.

Keystone County Projects – Goal Completed through staff developing maps of environmentally sensitive lands, and lands in public ownership, within the County.

Joint Workshop with ECHO – County Council determined that the joint workshop was unnecessary.

Working Calendar – Goal Completed on August 7, 2001, through staff compiling a Master Calendar for Matching Grant Information of state, federal and water management district programs.

Resolution 2001-198 – Goal Completed through County Council’s approval on October 18, 2001.

Land Acquisition Manual – Goal 80% Complete after the approval of Resolution 2001-198 by County Council on October 18, 2001. Staff will utilize guidelines contained in Resolution 2001-198 to develop a Land Acquisition Manual which will start with a Flow Chart illustrating how the Forever Program will operate.

Performance Measurement – Goal 25% Complete. Staff will modify the sample performance measurement form obtained from the state to meet the needs of this program. The estimated time of completion is December 31, 2001.

Understanding of Potential Partners – Goal Completed through staff’s communication and development of a working relationship with various county and state agencies (Brevard County, Hillsborough County, Alachua County, St. Johns River Water Management District, Florida Communities Trust, etc.)

Doug Weaver explained that staff has traveled to three (3) other counties (Alachua, Hillsborough and Brevard), and to Tallahassee. Staff has met with various state agencies (i.e., Florida Communities Trust, Department of Environmental Protection/Division of Lands, Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission, and Acquisition and Restoration Council, etc.) to establish a rapport and exchange ideas with these state agencies, along with the various counties. He further explained that Alachua County’s program was very similar to Volusia County’s as they have the same type of lands and they are also in the beginning stages of their program (year 1).

Discussion ensued regarding the continued public support for the Volusia Conservation Corridor to be moved from the "B " list to the "A" list.

Chairman Reid Hughes requested that the list of ARC members be provided to the Committee and others who are continuing with the lobbying efforts.

Volusia Forever Process – Resolution 2001-198

Doug Weaver reviewed and explained the flowchart, which was developed based on Resolution 2001-198. The process should flow as follows: 1) Application completed by property owner and submitted to County staff for review of completeness; 2) County staff conducts initial site ranking; 3) "Draft " site evaluation report is developed by staff; 4) Property owner can submit additional information, if desired; 5) "Draft" evaluation report is submitted by staff for the Committee’s review and determination of eligibility; 6) Ranking of property by Committee once it has been determined as eligible, which will be done twice a year; 7) Committee identifies project boundaries; 8) Committee separates projects into two (2) Groups, A and B, and sub-ranks them within the groups; and 9) Committee submits it recommendations to County Council for approval. He further explained that January 31, 2002, is the deadline for the application to be submitted to Volusia County staff for the first cycle, which will allow the applications to be reviewed, ranked and ready for County Council’s approval by Spring 2002.

Discussion continued regarding the January 31, 2002, application deadline. Doug Weaver explained that staff needed to make a deadline determination which would allow enough time to process the applications to fall in line with Florida Communities Trust’s deadline.

He further explained that anything submitted to the County after January 31, 2002, would be for the next cycle. However, the County may allow some leeway depending on the number of applications that are submitted and the fact that the process is new.

Rob Walsh explained that a cover letter is provided to each applicant which explains the deadline. Therefore, the applicant is aware of the January 31, 2002, deadline.

Discussion ensued after Doug Weaver emphasized to the Committee the need to move on to another property owner when negotiations break down with a property owner.

Discussion ensued regarding the ranking of projects in Group A and B after Member Richard Schuler asked who makes the decision to rank the projects as 1,2,3, etc. under Group A or B.

Doug Weaver explained that the Committee would make their recommendations to County Council who will make the final decision with regards to which projects will move on in the process.

Discussions continued regarding the importance of the Volusia Conservation Corridor and the continued efforts in making this project a priority.

Member Richard Schuler request clarification regarding the definition of a "project".

Douglas Weaver explained that the Committee could determine a project boundary, however you need a willing seller in order to have a project.

Other Business

Rob Walsh explained that there should be two (2) projects ready for the Committee’s review and determination of eligibility at the December 19, 2001, meeting.

Chairman Reid Hughes emphasized to the Committee that they need to refrain from answering any negotiation questions (i.e., appraisals, property value, etc.) or refrain from negotiating with a property owner.

Frank B. Gummey, III referenced Resolution 2000-169, Section XI (Prohibitions), to further emphasize the point. Section XI (Prohibitions) reads as follows: "At other than Committee meetings, the Committee and each member thereof are prohibited from soliciting offers or negotiating or otherwise engaging in contact with the owners or representative of owners of properties that may be considered for acquisition or improvement of lands by the Volusia Forever Program. The responsibility for publicizing the Program and soliciting, contacting and negotiating with property owners, potential sellers, or representatives thereof is the sole responsibility of the County Manager or designee. Members of the Committee are prohibited from representing the Volusia Forever Program or County interests to any public or private land acquisition or preservation support entity including the St. Johns River Water Management District, the State of Florida and the United States of America unless otherwise directed by the County Council or County Manager or the designee."

Member Carrie Stewart requested clarification on what restrictions were imposed on the County Council.

Frank B. Gummey, III explained that the Committee is governed by resolutions approved and adopted by the County Council, and that the County Charter governs the County Council who are elected officials. He further explained that unless the County Council imposes restrictions on themselves there are no restrictions currently restricting them from negotiations.

Chairman Reid Hughes requested that staff and/or the Committee emphasize to the County Council the need for them to refrain from negotiating which could impact and inflate the selling price of potential purchases. He also requested that John Pescatello, Head of the Acquisition Program for the Nature Conservancy, be present at the December 19, 2001, Committee meeting.

Douglas Weaver referenced Chapter 259, F.S. which outlines the percentage of Florida Forever funds awarded to different state agencies (i.e., Florida Department of Agriculture, and Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission each received 1.5%). He further explained that potential funding and/or partnering could be obtained through these agencies.

Discussion ensued regarding letters of support for the Volusia Conservation Corridor from cities, legislative delegation, and conservation groups.

Chairman Reid Hughes provided a Chairman Report explaining the role of the Committee, which is to carryout what the voters have mandated. He further explained that the Committee needed to move forward and not allow personal differences to interfere with the process.

Chairman Reid Hughes raised the issue of bonding versus a "pay as you go" program with the Chairman explaining that bonding could still be utilized as a funding tool. The Chairman stated that "pay as you go" programs don’t work and bonding will be required. However, the County Council will make the determination if bonding will be utilized based on each situation.

The Committee agreed that the County Council did not eliminate bonding from the program as a funding source. However, the issue of bonding will be handled on a case by case basis.

Douglas Weaver clarified what the determination of the County Council was regarding the issue of bonding by reading Section 2 (Alternatives for Financing Acquisition) of Resolution 2001-198: "County Manager will investigate alternative methods for funding acquisitions, including long term financing through the issuance of bonds, notes and other authorized indebtedness. The County Manager will report the findings after the first eligibility pool has been reported to the County Council and should update findings on an annual basis."

Discussion ensued with regards to the resignation of Doug Daniels on October 19, 2001.

Rob Walsh advised the Committee that the current schedule for meetings is on the 3rd Wednesday of every month, with the next meeting on December 19, 2001, in the Training Rooms on the 1st floor of the County Administration Building, 123 West Indiana Avenue, DeLand. He asked the Committee if they wished to continue to meet on the 3rd Wednesday of every month.

Chairman Reid Hughes decided that the schedule for 2002 would be discussed at the December 19, 2001, meeting.

Adjournment

Meeting adjourned at 3:05p.m.

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