back to home page

MINUTES
VOLUSIA FOREVER ADVISORY COMMITTEE

Wednesday, June 27, 2001
3:00p.m. - 5:00p.m.
Volusia County Sheriff’s Office Training Facility
3901 Tiger Bay Road, Daytona Beach, FL 32124

Approved as Amended on July 11, 2001

Board Members in Attendance

Also in Attendance

Reid Hughes, Chair
Robert Williams
Anne Hallum
Gordon Kipp

Jamie Seaman 
Jonas Stewart
Bill Gardner
Dot Moore
Rob Walsh
Matt Grimison
Randall Sleister
Ludi Lelis
Jeanette Munson
Bob Buettgens
Linda Harper 
Elizabeth Layton

Meeting Called to Order

As a Quorum could not be established, Reid Hughes, Chair, called a "workshop" to order at 3:12 p.m.

Roll Call

Reid Hughes, Chair, could not perform an official Roll Call, as a Quorum was not established. However four (4) members were recorded as being in attendance of a "workshop".

Approval of Minutes

No motion for approval of the Minutes from the June 13,2001, meeting.

Discussion of "draft" Resolution to County Council

Chairman Reid Hughes presented and briefly reviewed the contents of the "draft" Resolution 01, which was created with the assistance of Mr. Clay Henderson. A Subcommittee was appointed by Chairman Hughes to work with Staff to review, revise, and finalize the Resolution so the Committee could adopt it and forward it on to the County Council. The appointed Subcommittee members are Dennis Bayer, Robert Williams and Doug Daniels.

Jamie Seaman thanked the Committee for the opportunity to work with the Subcommittee in reviewing, revising, clarifying, and finalizing Resolution 01. She explained the need for clear and concise verbiage so any conflicts could be avoided.

Discussion of "draft" 2001 Work Plan

Rob Walsh, Program Coordinator presented the "draft" 2001 Work Plan and explained each element of the document, which included the following staff recommended tasks to be completed by December 31, 2001:

Creation of the Application and Application process – in process, needs finalization;

Creation of the Rating/ranking criteria – in process, needs finalization;

Creation of a master working calendar for funding cycle deadlines – to be drafted for July 11, 2001, meeting;

Creation of the Land Acquisition Manual – to be drafted in stages and modeled after Brevard County’s Manual;

Identify Keystone County Projects – presented to Committee at this meeting;

Establish an understanding of potential partners – in the process;

Items 7 through 9 evolved through discussions throughout the "workshop".

Workshop with ECHO Program – in the process;

Creation of Resolution 01 – subcommittee developed to process and finalize; and

Development of Performance Measurement – to be drafted.

Discussion of the weighing factors in the rating/ranking criteria ensued with Member Gordon Kipp recommending the utilization of the June 13, 2001, approved "draft" rating/ranking criteria, which was adopted subject to change or amendment.

Member Robert Williams questioned the usefulness of the weighing factor.

Randall Sleister explained that the Committee would need to determine what types of projects were important and incorporate that into the rating/ranking criteria. He used Alachua County’s development of their rating/ranking criteria as an example.

Chairman Reid Hughes explained that what credence is given to matching fund sources (CARL, the St. Johns River Water Management District, etc.) may determine what type of projects are rated/ranked as important.

Member Robert Williams requested that a rating/ranking criteria be developed for corridors and/or trails.

Jamie Seaman suggested that a point system be developed to allow additional points for "critical" pieces or parcels in order to resolve any corridor and/or trails issues. She further suggested that staff review and resolve this issue.

Dot Moore, public participant, suggested that an archeological rating/ranking criteria be developed or added under "Cultural/Historic Resource" Category.

Discussion of Land Acquisition Manual ensued with staff tasked to develop an outline and flow chart to be presented at the July 11, 2001, meeting. It was recommended that the manual be developed in stages (several Chapters at a time) rather than a complete "draft" document.

Jamie Seaman recommended incorporating the "draft" Resolution 01 into the Manual. She expressed concern and the need for caution with regard to the Committee’s "Condemnation Powers".

Discussion ensued regarding developing and coordinating presentations from organizations with which the Volusia Forever Program may be involved with (i.e., ECHO, FCT, MPO, etc.) to further understand the complete process and how the other organizations operate.

Member Gordon Kipp expressed the need for a meeting with ECHO to develop a better understanding of each program’s rolls or functions. Member Kipp requested the creation of Number 7 on the "Work Plan" to be "Workshop with ECHO."

Jamie Seaman explained that County Council clarified ECHO’s roll with regards to beachfront parks, and beach access. She further explained that the Council ’s intent for Forever was for walkovers, beach access, etc., but not for off beach parking.

Chairman Reid explained that Forever’s roll would be to protect the resource and ECHO’s roll would be for infrastructure.

Discussion with regards to the advertisement for the Land Acquisition and Management Director ensued with Chairman Reid Hughes expressing a concern over how the Volusia Forever Program could be effected.

Jamie Seaman explained that the Land Acquisition and Management Director position was created through a countywide reorganization by the County Manager and that individual would be responsible for the management of all County owned properties. She further explained that there should not be any type of conflict with regards to Volusia Forever Program.

Rob Walsh requested for input or additions to the "draft" Work Plan from the Committee.

Chairman Reid Hughes requested the creation of Number 8 for the development of Resolution 01.

Rob Walsh recommended the creation of Number 9 for a Program Performance Measurement. This document would be created utilizing the format from Florida Forever as a guide for the Committee to gage its progress.

Member Robert Williams recommended producing an interim report similar to other State and County Agencies, which could be a guide for the Committee to gage its progress and make reports to the community.

Update on County Projects for current FCT cycle

Bill Gardner presented handouts, which included the following: 1) Cover memo depicting proposed projects for FCT/Florida Forever Program; 2) Six (6) Maps depicting the proposed projects for FCT/Florida Forever Program; and 3) a Map depicting Robert Hart/Hart Land & Cattle Company property. He gave a brief overview of two (2) significant projects (North Peninsula In-holdings and original CARL boundary of Spruce Creek) being worked upon since 1983 and 1987, and three other significant projects as follows:

Colby-Alderman (1991 FCT Project) - This parcel consists of approximately 21 acres with 50% of it being developed. This parcel is a critical linkage to other portions of the Colby-Alderman Park parcels. Bill Gardner explained that an application would be submitted for this project, which the estimated value of the parcel is $210,000.

Jamie Seaman explained that previously there had been an issue over "life estates" with FCT. FCT would not fund "life estates." However, since that time FCT (in the last ten (10) years) has become more sophisticated in allowing "life estates", "less than fees", etc. issues.

DeBary Hall ($160,000)– Bill Gardner explained that an approved application for acquisition of remaining parcels surrounding DeBary Hall has been filed with the Office of Greenways and Trails. He expressed the importance of completing this project not only because of the significant amount of funds expended on the mansion site but the necessity to preserve the mansion site as a historic site. With the acquisition of the out parcels, the management of the land could allow a visitor’s center and trail head to be created, and parking to be created, which would lessen the impacts from visitors or fund raisers to the original DeBary Hall mansion site.

Jamie Seaman explained the difficulty with the Office of Greenways and Trails finalizing the application. The difficulty lies with the purchase price being above the appraised value, which is based upon the highest and best use of the land use. With the City of DeBary changing the land use to "public", this created a lower appraisal, which the State will not allow funding over that amount.

Member Robert Williams suggested a rezoning of the parcel by the City of DeBary to rectify this issue.

Jamie Seaman explained that the State would not allow upping the zoning to increase the appraised value. She further explained the goal of the County was to fairly compensate the property owners.

North Peninsula In-Holdings (29 remaining acres estimated at $777,000- based on old appraisals) - Jamie Seaman displayed the map pointing out the parcels included in this project. She expressed the importance of this project.

Doris Leeper Spruce Creek Preserve (206 acres estimated at $1,400,000) – Bill Gardner explained that the parcels involved in this project are included within the original boundaries (i.e., the Kays, Pauls, etc.)

Jamie Seaman displayed the map depicting the properties already being closed upon and in the final stages of completion. She also pointed out all the other parcels of interest (starting with the right hand side of the map). The last section of parcels she pointed out depicted the area the Committee will be focusing on acquiring (the Kay, Paul, and Eubank properties).

Discussion ensued between the Committee, the staff and the public regarding parcels not indicated on the map, which are not part of the original boundaries. Alternate funding sources to acquire these parcels were discussed as a means to acquire the parcels without amending the original boundaries. Additional funding sources were discussed to acquire other parcels of importance.

Jamie Seaman explained that CARL and FCT were working together to fund existing CARL projects needing to be completed. She further explained the goal of the County Council was to complete unfinished existing projects.

FEC Corridor/Lake Monroe Loop (5.8 miles – estimated cost is $2,460,0 00) – Bill Gardner explained this project is part of the Lake Monroe Loop and Spring to Spring Trail. He displayed the map depicting this project which will start at Gemini Springs, go south through Lake Monroe Park and link up with Seminole County’s trail, continuing east around to S.R. 415, north to Reed Ellis Road and finishing at the Red Line (Providence Boulevard to Osteen at S.R. 452). 99% of the corridor is owned by FEC with Florida Power and Light owning a portion and two (2) residents having a deed to the corridor.

Discussion of the First Phase of the Volusia Corridor, which is partnered with St. Johns River Water Management District (CARL Project), ensued with Chairman Reid Hughes explaining the availability of funds for this project and also its importance. He further explained that the parcels involved in this project are multiple use, which are ideal for recreation, trails, recharges, etc. This project will include approximately 150,000 acres and will incorporate a multitude of resources to be protected and preserved. This corridor was compared to the Everglades with regards to its importance.

Jamie Seaman explained that this parcel of land involves a 41,000-acre swath of land extending from Pioneer Trail southward along S.R. 415 to Lemon Bluff. She further explained that the St. Johns River Water Management District developed the application with the County Council committing 25% of the funding. This will be one of the projects to be discussed through Ray Bunting, St. Johns River Water Management District (lead agency for this project), during a Committee meeting for updates.

Robert Hart/Hart Land & Cattle Company Property – a St. Johns River Water Management District Project. Jamie Seaman presented the last map and old paper plat depicting the properties, which are in a swampy area and developed prior to the Land Development Regulation by Statute and by local Ordinance. She defined this as "small line" acquisition. The County, through Tax Deeds or donations, has acquired these properties. The Hart Estate properties (depicted in blue on the map) are in the process of being sold to the St. Johns River Water Management District.

Discussion of scheduling conflicts with ECHO and Forever meetings ensued with Jamie Seaman explaining the effort being made to adjust the meeting schedules.

Public Comments

Bob Buettgens expressed his concern regarding delays which have already occurred and opportunities which could be missed due to delays (i.e., Committee member appointments, Quorums, etc.).

Discussion regarding the Spruce Creek improvements ensued with Jamie Seaman explaining that there is a Management Plan approved by the County Council and ARC (Acquisition and Restoration Council), which was submitted to the State for trails, boardwalks, fishing piers, etc. She further explained that there is a building involved, which is an archeological site. The site is in a conceptual stage. All resource-based items (i.e., trails, boardwalks, fishing piers, etc.) would be funded through Forever. However, any infrastructure would be handled through ECHO (i.e., buildings).

Adjournment

Workshop adjourned at 5:06p.m.

back to home page

 Public information produced by Volusia County Government